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Commenting on this site

As a result of a serious abuse of the anonymity this site has traditionally offered to commenters, it is with regret that I must place several new restrictions on those who wish to leave comments here.

Moderation

All comments now need to be approved by me before they will appear on the site.

A comment will be edited or deleted if:

  1. I think it's abusive towards another commenter, flamebait (designed to provoke an angry or hostile reaction), or if it's just generally unpleasant.

  2. I think it's off-topic (or so unintelligible that I can't tell whether it's on-topic or not).

  3. I have the slightest suspicion that it could be libellous.

  4. It discusses a matter currently before a court of law. Such matters are described as sub judice, and the law bans public discussion of them.

  5. You have not configured your account to send me your email address (see step 6 in ‘Registration’ below)

You will be temporarily or permanently banned from commenting if:

  1. You frequently post comments that I have to delete.

  2. You post a comment in someone else’s name.

  3. You allow anyone else to use your account.

  4. Your email address is invalid, or one that you do not check on a regular basis. If I have a query about anything you have written, I will email you. If my email bounces back to me, or I do not receive a response in a timely fashion, your account will be blocked.

I reserve the right to amend or add to these guidelines at any time.

I'm sorry that it has become necessary to do this. I understand that these measures are likely to reduce the number of contributions to this site, and that the discussions will not flow as freely as they did before. However, I am not prepared to submit either myself or my family to any further stress as a result of the actions of irresponsible commenters.


Registration

You now need to register before you can post a comment on this site. Registration should take no longer than five minutes, and only needs to be done once. To register, carefully follow the steps below. Do not forget step 6.

  1. Go to https://www.typekey.com/t/typekey/register?lang=en-us.

  2. Enter your details as requested. The member name is the login ID for your account (in my case, this is philwells). The display name (also called the nickname) is the name that will appear next to your comments (in my case, this is “The Limey”). If you want to conceal your identity, choose these carefully, as both will be publicly visible. You must use a valid email address, however this will never be visible to other users unless you choose to make it public.

  3. Check your email account for a confirmation email. Click on the link in that email to activate your account. If the email seems to be taking a long time to arrive, check that your mail provider hasn't marked it as spam.

  4. On the validation screen, click the button ‘Edit Your Profile’.

  5. On the tab ‘Your TypeKey Profile Page’ select any information you wish to make public. By default, all information is private.

  6. On the tab ‘Account Preferences’, in the section ‘Your Commenter Preferences’, place a tick in the box that says “When you comment on a weblog, send the weblog owner your email address”. Then click the "Save changes" button at the bottom of the screen.

Step 6 is particularly important, as it enables me to see your email address when you leave a comment. Comments from registered users who have not made their email address visible to me will not be published on the site.

As a registered user, your comments will appear under your nickname, and this will be linked to your account profile page (for an example, see mine). Your email address (and website URL, if you have one) will only appear on your profile page, and only if you have chosen to make them public.

After you have signed up, you can change your account preferences at any time by going to https://www.typekey.com/t/typekey?lang=en-us and entering your member name and password.

If you have any problems with the registration process, don't hesitate to drop me an email, and I will try to help you resolve them.

I hope that most of you will register and continue commenting despite these new restrictions, if only to deny the critics of this site the satisfaction of seeing them quash all debate.


Troubleshooting

Q. I've signed up for an account, but I still haven't received my confirmation email.

A. Check that your email provider hasn't identified the confirmation email as spam. Accounts registered using a Logic email address seem to be particularly affected.

Q. After entering my member name and password, I am returned to the LiB page, but I still can't see the comment box.

A. This problem seems to be confined to users of Internet Explorer. In most cases, clicking your browser's 'Refresh' button after being returned to LiB should make the comment box appear.

If this doesn't work, ensure that you have cookies enabled. Go to Tools/Internet Options again, and on the ‘Privacy’ tab, move the slider to the bottom (“Accept all cookies”). Then try the refresh solution described above again.

If none of this works for you, a more extreme solution - but one guaranteed to work - would be to abandon Internet Explorer as your web browser and start using Firefox instead. You can download it from https://www.getfirefox.com.

Q. You have told me that my email address isn't being sent to you when I leave a comment. How do I fix this?

  1. Go to https://www.typekey.com/t/typekey?lang=en-us

  2. Log in using your member name and password.

  3. On the tab ‘Account Preferences’, in the section ‘Your Commenter Preferences’, place a tick in the box that says “When you comment on a weblog, send the weblog owner your email address”. Then click the "Save changes" button at the bottom of the screen.

Unfortunately, because of a bug in TypeKey, even after you have done this, chances are your email address will still not be sent to me when you leave a comment. If this is the case, you will need to send me an email from the address you used to register before I will approve any of your comments.

» Because of persistent technical problems with TypeKey, and TypePad's refusal to take them seriously, I have abandoned the registration requirement. Comment moderation is here to stay, however.

Comments

» Politics.bm writes "Sometimes, you've just got to believe in karma. After the Bermuda Broadcasting Company's Gary Moreno gave Phil over at Limey in Bermuda a hard time over a rapidly deleted phony post under his name (resulting in Phil implementing comment moderation)......"


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Easy sign-up process. Phil's helpful instructions are clear and accurate.

Some users are reporting problems signing in when using Internet Explorer. If after entering your member name and password, you are returned to the LiB page, but you still don't see the comment box, just click your browser's 'Refresh' button. That seems to make the comment box appear.

Thanks for that tip on refreshing! I thought I was missing something!

The problems with the missing comment box seem to be confined to Internet Explorer 6 (IE6). If the refresh solution outlined above doesn't work, try the following:

1. In Internet Explorer, go to Tools/Internet Options. On the ‘General’ tab, under ‘Temporary Internet Files’, click the ‘Settings’ button. In the window that appears, check that “Check for newer versions of stored pages” is set to “Every visit to the page”.

2. You should also ensure that you have cookies enabled. Go to Tools/Internet Options again, and on the ‘Privacy’ tab, move the slider to the bottom (“Accept all cookies”).

3. If you still have the problem after making the changes described above, you may want to consider upgrading to Internet Explorer 7 (IE7), which doesn't seem to be affected by the problem.

Microsoft will be automatically rolling out IE7 to everyone via its Windows Update service next month. However the browser is available for you to download and install yourself now, from https://www.microsoft.com/windows/ie/default.mspx.

Alternatively, you may want to consider installing Firefox 2 as your browser, which also does not seem to be affected by this problem. You can get that from https://www.getfirefox.com.

Thanks Limey. It's a pity we all have to go through loops to preserve the freedom of speech in Bermuda and yes my current spat of cyniscism does make me wonder who was behind the whole thing. I am just glad you are able to continue your important efforts on behalf of all Bermudians and our guests in a manner that better protects you.

fyi - IE7 doesn't appear to work either ... even after refreshing ...

32n64w

Hmm, IE7 worked for me. What browser did you use to successfully post your comment just now?

firefox 2

If your email address is not being sent to me when you comment, you must:

1. Go to https://www.typekey.com/t/typekey?lang=en-us

2. Log in using your member name and password.

3. On the tab ‘Account Preferences’, in the section ‘Your Commenter Preferences’, place a tick in the box that says “When you comment on a weblog, send the weblog owner your email address”. Then click the "Save changes" button at the bottom of the screen.

SmokingGun - Hang on, I think I've managed to reproduce your problem. Let me see if I can work out what you need to do to fix it.

SmokingGun - I think you've discovered a TypeKey bug. I can reproduce your problem exactly, and nothing I do will persuade the system to start sending the email address along with the comment. I'll raise a bug report with them and let you know what they say.

In the meantime, if you wouldn't mind sending me an email from the account you used to register, then I will approve your comments until this problem can be resolved.

Commendations for your swift and thorough response to the foolishness of the few (one?).

I'm using FireFox 2 on a Mac, and so far no problems.

I've been checking your other site recently rather than this one. I was, therefore, surprised to see you've been having problems. So it's good to see, by the looks of it, that you are now on top of things.

I couldn't, however, help but fire off an email to the Bermuda Sun making it clear what I thought of those who were picking a fight with you because you weren't born in Bermuda rather than because you are a blogger as some appear to have done. Here's what I said (just in case they decide not to publish or edit my comment):

I have known Phil since childhood. I can tell you, therefore, that he has utmost integrity as, I believe, the way he has dealt with the comment in question shows. So if anyone is going to attack bloggers, can I suggest they attack unscrupulous bloggers and not someone like Phil?

I am, of course, not naive about the motivations of some. But for those who are attacking Phil because he is a "Limey" rather than a blogger, can I suggest you take a good look at yourself because you have far more to be ashamed about than he ever could?

And for the more broadminded of you, I hope you continue to enjoy Phil's site and the debate it so clearly stimulates.

I understand that some Internet Explorer users are still having trouble seeing the comments box after you have signed in.

Digging around online, it seems that setting Internet Explorer to accept all cookies, as described in the "Troubleshooting" section above should help.

If it doesn't, however, try this:

  1. Go to Tools > Internet Options, then select the Privacy tab.
  2. In the Settings area of the tab, move the slider to “Low” then click the Sites button.
  3. In the Address of website field, type typepad.com and click Allow.
  4. In the Address of website field, type typekey.com and click Allow.
  5. In the Address of website field, type limeyinbermuda.com and click Allow.
  6. In the Address of website field, type phillipwells.com and click Allow.
  7. Click OK at the bottom of that dialogue box.
  8. Click OK on the Privacy tab.

Please drop me an email to let me know whether this works for you or not.

"Digging around online, it seems that setting Internet Explorer to accept all cookies, as described in the "Troubleshooting" section above should help."

That worked!!

Well - congrats Phil....it worked.

Yep, after trying everything else the only thing that worked was to accept all cookies, good bad and ugly. Thanks Phil for the advice.

YES!That fixed it, Phil! Thanks

"I have known Phil since childhood. I can tell you, therefore, that he has utmost integrity as, I believe, the way he has dealt with the comment in question shows. So if anyone is going to attack bloggers, can I suggest they attack unscrupulous bloggers and not someone like Phil?

I am, of course, not naive about the motivations of some. But for those who are attacking Phil because he is a "Limey" rather than a blogger, can I suggest you take a good look at yourself because you have far more to be ashamed about than he ever could?

And for the more broadminded of you, I hope you continue to enjoy Phil's site and the debate it so clearly stimulates."

Agree 100%!

I was pondering some of the comments today from the Bermuda Sun calling for Limey to be held accountable. A couple of reasons this is silly.

1) The coffee shop argument already noted. The Limey is nothing more than a coffee shop that allows people to interact. A coffee shop would never be held accountable for someone slandering (and claiming to be American Onion) Tony Blair even though it provides a forum for people to be heard. A better analogy might be hyde park in London.
2) My local newspaper publishes letters to the editor all the time and uses real names. These letters can be near slanderous, but I can't imagine a newspaper ever getting sued for reporting people's opinion. Even if someone used a fake name. Heck, probably happens all the time.

I know the people who are criticizing this site for it's blog characteristics or it's limey characteristics are in the minority (hopefully), but it is still uncalled for.

Keep it up Limey

Worked like a charm with IE7. Thanks Phil.

Please note that I have added an "Accounts With Problems" section at the top of the sidebar to identify those user accounts that have not been correctly configured. If your name is in this list, please drop me an email.

Good work Phil, sorry that someone's abused the system!

The heated debates of the past were inflamed because of instant posting and replies. I loved opening up LIB to find he'd written a comment guaranteed to generate a hundred posts.

That animated discussion served as a town square where I got to read opions to which I might otherwise be exposed.

By personally approving each posting, Limey has accepted the role of editor (as his critics wanted) and now has a responsibilty to ensure that each posting is fair and reasonable.

I hope one day to see this loosened to registered users being able to post without editor approval.

Without it I expect the comments will dry up and the comments will turn into little more than a cheering section for our host. (Not that he doesn't deserve it.)

Yeah, Curious, I’m missing the instant aspect too. I wonder how many people have signed up so far?

With that horrific fire going on in California, started by arsonists, I started to think of the fake Gary Moreno as a kind of arsonist too. Fortunately, there’s been no loss of life on LiB, but what’s happened is very unfair to Phil, and to blogging, and to genuine efforts at communication, which often seem in short supply on the island.

I agree wholeheartedly Curious. Although I'm sure many will appreciate the fact that they won't have to hear my two cents being tossed in all day long. ;-)

I just read some of the posts that have been put on the Sun's site. There are a few things I have to say:

1: Conch just doesn't get it. Either that or it's really just Bud posting with a fake name.

2: Nick A - I do not know Phil Wells personally but my sense is he's a very intelligent, thoughtful and concerned person who has a legitimate reason to see the best for all of Bermuda. If there's one thing wrong with Bermuda's politics it's the fact that there's a ton of good brainpower being wasted and his forum at least get's some of it up from the cellar.

3: Carol Shulman Phd - remind me never to get on your bad side. ;-)

Conch’s Bermuda Sun comment is fullish. First Conch supports freedom of speech, but then expects “complete control on written opinions,” insisting they should all be available to editing--seeing newspapers and blogs as the same. “Fairness, honesty, and good taste”? Well, a lot of politicians would be edited off the printed page if those standards were more stringently applied.

What about some of the radio talk shows? What sort of “complete control” and “fairness, honesty, and good taste” are there sometimes?

At least Conch is honest about admitting bias/prejudice/bigotry. He's not the only one who had years of colonial arrogance. But this is a new generation, a new time. Phil doesn’t know all, and he’s made that clear in various posts. Aside from that, he’s entitled to his opinions. He’s a strong critical thinker, and I give him a lot of credit for working hard to learn about his new country, for getting involved, for being curious, and for doing all the work demanded by his blog.

Actually, Conch, “all the friggen answers” are available to anybody. Get on the blog and work it out.

I'm a little confused as to why, once someone has registered, you need to moderate, Phil. Surely now you will know who made any post and can react to that. Moderation is slowing this site down too much and making it less attractive to use.

Phil

It is sad that it has come to this (having to register), but I think it is for the best. Keep up the good work.

Simon

I'm a little confused as to why, once someone has registered, you need to moderate, Phil. Surely now you will know who made any post and can react to that. Moderation is slowing this site down too much and making it less attractive to use.

I need to moderate because, despite the registration requirement, commenters do not have to reveal their real identity (the only requirement is that the email address you use to register is one that you own and check regularly). After the recent incident, I can no longer trust anonymous commenters not to abuse that anonymity.

I would like to be able to allow those who register using their real name (and whose identity I can confirm) to have their comments appear immediately on the site, bypassing the need for me to approve them. Unfortunately, however, TypePad does not currently allow me to do so. I have requested that they add this feature.

Simon raises a very good point. To keep the flow and protect The Limey, now that people are willing to register and they must have a valid email address available to Limey, what if we could go one step further and have a legal fund set up for Limey that we all can donate a little too. Hopefully a local law firm would see the benefit of having this open forum and be willing to do some pro-bono work to keep it alive and active. The rules will be simple. If someone falsely attempts to represent themselves under the name of a real character, and it is not clearly being done as a joke, then Limey may use all powers necessary to go after said prankster and sue him/her. The legal fund will also help pay for Carol Shulman's son's flight to Bermuda and any beer money he might need whilst he gets cracking on tracking down the culprit.

Oh yes and Conch. I used to work in situations where various limey's would be my boss and they'd act as if they were superior to me. Well guess what, nothing's changed. There are plenty of folks who go around Bermuda acting superior to others and they're not just limeys. They're from all walks of life and far too many of them were born in Bermuda. So I suggest it's time to come out of your shell and see the world for what it really is.

Am I missing something with the references to Conch and Carol Shulman?

Uncle Elvis

They're referring to the discussion on the Bermuda Sun's website here.

Pity there are idiots among us... ;) Thanks for the help with IE though.

Unfortunately, I think permanent moderation will be the death of LIB. Registration is fine, but without the free flow of comment back and forth, the medium loses its appeal!

I for one miss the lively discussion and debate that the real time posts generated and am of the opinion that 'one monkey shouldn't stop the show', granted, I might feel differently if it were my @ss on the line, and not Phil's (although I have some questions as to whether Phil could actually be held liable, particularly when he acted swiftly in handling the matter).

In any event, I hope that one day we can return to the real-time posts...

they say the reason that hockey is one of the least popular sports in america is because it only appeals to fans of hockey and not the casual sports fan - i say this because your site seems to be filled with postings that simply reiterate your own opinions. and the postings sound just as hateful as you say dr. brown's opinions of grant gibbons were. the one sidedness of your blog is the reason that many people don't take it seriously - it just sounds like angry white guy rants - which is as tired as angry black guy rants.

as a bermudian educated in the states and presently living canada but who grew up in bermuda in the 80s - i can honestly say that when i speak to friends back home now there is a sense of hope among blacks (the majority) that never existed under the ubp.

back then i always found it ironic that the ubp always touted the fact that we were a very rich country but we had nothing to show for it - there were no public pools, fields, facilities, free health care etc - many of the problems that bermuda faces today grow from seeds that the ubp sowed over their decades long rule.

in closing, if you and your "posters" ever recognized that the wounds caused by the "ruling elite" takes time to heal (not unlike the irish and scottish consistent anger toward the english) and that anger is a legitimate part of healing then you will only continue to appeal to the fringe and not the mainstream of bermuda - true, plp sounds angry but you and your blog sound just as angry - the difference is - we can see why the plp is angry - b\ut what are the white guys angry about?

vance chapman

vance

your site seems to be filled with postings that simply reiterate your own opinions.

I think Bermudian, Casual Observor, jake, Guilden, Onion and others may disagree with you there. Their opinions are usually very different to my own.

and the postings sound just as hateful as you say dr. brown's opinions of grant gibbons were.

Would you mind giving some examples? I'm curious to know what you find hateful. Particularly of the things that I've written.

true, plp sounds angry but you and your blog sound just as angry - the difference is - we can see why the plp is angry - but what are the white guys angry about?

I can't speak for anyone else, but arrogant, incompetent, unaccountable government makes me angry. Oh, and bad drivers. And the 15% "gratuity" that automatically gets added to my restaurant bills. And...

But that's just me. I've always been a bit of a grump. ;)

Ah, the "You're just a bunch of hateful white guys" post. Is it that time of year already?

Vance, I invite you to join us here and to let us know your views and, hopefully get into discussions with us. It's a little more difficult to get one going now that some dingbat broke LiB by posting as someone else, but it is still possible.

Please don't be one of those "Hit and Run" posters who chuck out a "You guys are assholes" post and never come back.

Join us. Educate us to your point of view. Listen to ours. See if we can come to some place of understanding.

If you truly think that we're all on the same page, all yelling the same thing, I invite you to do two things. One, read the threads. Look at the posts. You'll find this just isn't true.
Two, become a dissenting voice. If you see a problem, fix it, don't just bitch.

vance - I'm a firm believer in "Don't get angry, get even." The trouble is the PLP wants to do both. And that get's me a little snippity.

But the fact is that I bust my butt to try to make sure NO-ONE is treated unfairly in this day and age. Black, white, woman or child. So why should the many just like me have to put up with the constant openly vitriolic disdain that the core PLP members have for white Bermudians or for that matter black Bermudians who happen to put country before colour? And for how long?

The fact is there are far more Bermudians (and so-called guest workers) who are not black who are in hard economic situations than some will like to admit. I'm quite sure they have plenty of reason to be angry.

Limey,

most of the posts back up your own opinions (I think you can agree that). And I do agree with the one-sidedness of your site.

Of course, you have no control over who contributes or not... and you also have no control over your lack of understanding of the past, which is understandable because you were not here.

I can agree with vance when he says "the one sidedness of your blog is the reason that many people don't take it seriously". The polls are a perfect example as their results are often significantly different from polls taken of a broader, more representative spectrum of the population. But again, completely out of your control who votes and who doesn't :-)

Vance...

Just a little surprised that you find the blog onesided. Having posted here for some time now,I can assure you that is not the case. Check back over the postings and have a look. As Limey rightly states, many here disagree with his point of view - and frequently.

I also believe that most of us can see that wounds take time to heal and also that anger is part of that process. Incidentally, Bermudians are not the only people to have wounds - but heh that's another subject.

Because many of us are not directly linked to Bermuda's past - many of us find it easier to draw a line in the sand and say..."let's try and go forward...how do we do that?"...recognising the past and the damage, but trying not to let it stop us going forward.

You know - the problem with anger is that it achieves nothing..it gets you nowhere and I sence most of here would like to see Bermuda...and Bermudians go forward whatever their colour class or creed. Hopefully the PLP can see past it's anger for the good of all.

Bermudian

I agree that most commenters on here are critical of the PLP. However that's not the same as saying that they back my opinions, especially when the topic isn't political (the smoking ban comes to mind). There are differences of opinion among even the regular contributors here, they just tend to be nuanced.

Still, thanks for acknowledging that I have no control over who chooses to participate. :)

Vance -

At one point in time I tended to agree with your allegation that the blog was 'one-sided'. So I became involved in posting and pride myself on bringing a different perspective than many other poster may hold - a sort of balance.

Our views and opinions are shaped by our own life experiences and individual realities. I came to terms a long time ago with the fact that my opinion is simply that, and that there are others whose differ due to a different life experience, background, etc.

Limey has provided this board as a public forum. The opinions expressed are only as diverse as the posters. Don't like what you read? I encourage you to get involved and bring your own perspective to the table.

All the opinions are the same, because Limey just posts his own views over and over again under different pseudonyms.

Do you really think that so many people are interested in or agree with what he thinks?

If you're reading this, then you're probably on your own!

CO - now that's something I can agree with you whole-heartedly on.

"b\ut what are the white guys angry about?"

Bad punctuation and spelling.

It really irritates us.

Dammit, I posted under Smoking Gun again, instead of The Limey.

Vance,
It's good to get other opinions here, you should continue to post. However, I must take issue with some of your comments. The Bermuda you remember is quite different from how I see it and your claim that nothing was ever done in all the years of the UBP is bizarre. I know a number of black people who worked for for me over the years who own nice homes, sent their children to college, take the odd holiday or two and generally enjoy a very good standard of living. This all happened when the previous government was running a tight ship, with good money management and tourism was thriving ( except when the Union was trying to kill it). Not everyone was able to benefit from this, some due to the circumstances others because they didn't take advantage of the very good situation they were in but please don't distort the facts. To suggest that now there is 'hope' as if there never was any before is just not accurate. This island has been the land of opportunity for a long time, for lots of people. Is this hope a new thing? if so where has it been for the last 7 years?

Uncle Elvis, I'm so glad you asked what Smoking was referring to. I couldn't imagine what I had said that was so terrible!!

Meanwhile, I think it's a good idea to moderate comments. However, Limey does a service here and could find himself at risk. Thus, we owe it to Limey and each other to be responsible...

Raises a question of the problem of information being put out on talk shows, the written and spoken word etc.

So many are woefully lacking in the facts that there is much misinformation give to the public.

LIB has been accused of only posting the opinions of Limey to the exclusion of others, which any poster can see is clearly not so given the diversity of both subject matter and posters.

Further, bloggers can introduce their own subject as I myself has done, with the preservation of open spaces, stimulating interest.

I do not mind criticism, but it must have foundation in fact, not some nonsensical gobbly gook, which reveals a total lack of knowledge of the matter.

If anyone takes issue they are free to start their own blog of course.

I think Phil is to be commended for having the interest and courage to undertake this task, considering his own job and starting a new family and much of the scurilous comments from those who should know better, I cannot think of many who would be willing to do that.

He has tried to learn as much as possible and go the extra mile to assist in improving the quality of life for all in Bermuda and deserves our support.

I hope all of us on site, of all persuasions will support him and encourage him to keep democracy afloat.

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